Don't Forget that the Universe is Strange
Over at BOAP.org, WVS expresses his doubt that absolute foreknowledge and free will can co-exist (here and here), and I think I agree with him. But it reminds me of one of the irritants I found in Converging Paths to Truth, a book published by Deseret Book and the BYU Religious Studies Center. You may recall that I highlighted the book a couple of months ago, and hinted that I had some gripes. So here's one of them.
J. Ward Moody's essay is "Time in Scripture and Science: A Conciliatory Key?". The title is a bit of a misnomer because there's not really any reconciliation. It's more of a rumination on the concept of time, using both scriptural and scientific perspectives. It has the kind of ideas that any science enthusiast has kicked around at one point or another. Good clean fun.
Not far into his essay Moody takes up relativity, a scientific concept that captures the imagination and perhaps ranks only behind quantum mechanics in its difficulty to comprehend. Moody, of course, knows this.
It is tempting to stop and shout, “Of course there is a difference [between past, present, and future]! The past is behind, the future is ahead and the present is now! Only dimwitted philosophers could get confused about such an obvious thing!” Indeed! But there are some physical, philosophical, and religious facts that challenge such a straightforward interpretation.Got that? Relativity seems like philosophical nonsense, but is in fact irrefutable. I presume that Moody would say the same for quantum mechanics. So far, so good.
When Albert Einstein gave the world the special theory of relativity, he irrefutably established that events which are simultaneous to one person are not simultaneous to another person moving with respect to the first.
Turning to a little speculation about God's sense of time, Moody says
If every point of time can be called “now” according to some perspective, then the entire extent of time must already be created. You cannot say that, at this instant, a point of time is known to be “now” before it has come into being. Therefore all time—and with it, all past, present, and future—must already exist. If so, it is trivial for God to know the future.Moody has a couple of criticisms of this idea (also known as block time). Then he says,
Even though block time allows for God to comprehend all time, I am uncomfortable with it from a religious perspective. It seems a bit like predestination with our decisions already made and existing in a future that can only unfold to us as our “now” hyperplane passes through it. I see no purpose in living in such a universe. If I know anything about life from my own experience, it is that we have agency. Our decisions matter and are not made before we make them. Time must allow for this.Oh, well I guess that settles it then. It's fine with me that Moody is not a fan of block time, and I don't mind that religion adds to his suspicion. What irritates me is that he asserts that block time cannot be correct because it doesn't comport with his personal experience. Well guess what? Relativity and quantum mechanics don't fit with my personal experience either!
Sometimes nature doesn't do things the way we think it should. That's science.


6 comments:
I wonder how he understands Alma 40: "Time only is measured unto men..."
We know that as we approach light speed, time moves faster (into the future). We can essentially time travel to the future.
If we ourselves can time travel, it would be pretty blasphemous to say that God can't. And if we can time travel to the future, it seems reasonable that God can time travel to the past--or, more likely, that God can see past, present, and future in front of him. Perhaps he has his own measurement of time, but our time--beginning from the Big Bang and ending at some point in the future--is merely another physical dimension to him, something that does not limit him in any way.
Blake Ostler has another interesting take on God's foreknowledge and free-will n his The Mormon Concept of God. He hypothesizes God is like a chessmaster who can see all posible moves by every free agent and already "sees" in advance that no matter what free acts people make He will eventually win and exalt all those who will let Him.
Funny coincidence you wrote this post as I was going to blog on this *exact* subject later this weekend.
Far be it from religion to inform science.
Jack
Free will cannot exist if choice is fundamentally random. Therefore if free will exists, it must be fundamentally based on a principle of causality (i.e. not random). And those things which are based on causality, at least in theory, can be foreknown. Therefore free will and foreknowledge can easily be compatible.
WVS has a lot of great things to say, but his logic here is faulty. So is Blake Ostler's. Of the prominent philosophers who accept free will as possible, most would tear apart the notion that it could be fundamentally based on probabilities. I cannot see how such a model amounts to anything more than bad logic.
If God can see the future(s), then we have to start taking things like retrocausality seriously - that is, the idea that the future can influence the past.
It is my understanding that that this is one of the options that we have for interpretation with experiments involving Bell's Inequality in quantum mechanics. It isn't a very popular one, but it is a logical option.
If God can see the future, as well as all space, then it would seem that He is not intimidated by little things like time-travel and the speed of light.
Science doesn't have much to say here, except that this makes this really complicated (and interesting) but it does say some fascinating things about science.
Thanks for the comments, all. It wasn't my main point, but now it looks like I need to do a post on free will.
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